You’re right about the lack of a clearly-defined goal. In my post “Reality: draft notes” I did sketch in a scheme very lightly, but it was nothing so definite as a goal, more a kind of inspired notion (as if from a dream or whispering from the Muse) of a set of cascading ideas. You clarify one and then you can go on to the next.
So to recap slightly, the first idea was to distinguish reality from unreality, partly because I was following you on this.
[I like the idea of us following each other, though I agree with you that we’ve wallowed a bit and gone adversarial on one another for lack of a clear sense of where the other is going.
It’s true I did start with the idea of being the leader, or rather the protagonist, with you as the antagonist. But I feel no need to be controlling about the relationship.]
I felt that once I/we had sorted out reality and unreality, it would be possible to sort out belief and unbelief. Then we could, as I said, “unravel the confusions about reason”. Finally, I said, we would be in a position to confront the essential paradox that is left in the world when the-people-who-formerly-could-not- understand-one-another-so-they-spent-their-lives-fighting can now understand one another and have no reason to fight. So they have time on their hands to confront the Paradox.
Which is pretty much what Camus calls the Absurd, which he says “originates [with] mind and world braced in mutual opposition, with no chance to embrace.”
So let me sum up from this what I see as the goal.
Where we are today:
Opposing ideologies, philosophies of life, religions, rational schemes for solving the world’s problems, all make the same assumption (1) that THERE IS AN ANSWER ; (2) that they have the answer, but the reason it cannot be put into practice is the stupidity and folly of their opponents.
Where I would like us to be:
I would like the reader to see (without you and I bludgeoning them with our persuasion) that THERE IS NO ANSWER, because the world is not rational even though we can’t help wanting it to be. When I say we want it to be rational, I mean that we want a world which would allow the correct key to open the door to the perfect world which we would like to see.
This is my goal. My method is to act (i.e. write) spontaneously without imposing much of a structure, hoping that you and I will be inspired by the gods and their underlings, the Muses, and will work things out by trial and error
The “things” that we have to work out include:
--how to get on with one another productively as possible
--how to organize ourselves
--to agree goals
--how to approach the goals
etc
I have to tell you that in the whole project I am indulging spontaneous hunches all the time, letting my fingers run all over the keyboard as they will; letting ideas and everything enter my mind without very much dictatorship on my organizing ego’s part.
I no longer see myself in a specific leadership role. We are twin stars orbiting around one another in a gravitational field of respect.
My latest inspiration for this comes from the epic of Gilgamesh, the oldest written story in the world. There are twin heroes called Gilgamesh, who’s the king of a city called Uruk, and two-thirds divine, one-third human; and Enkidu - two-thirds animal, one-third human. The gods have ordained that they become friends, to balance the city. Though I couldn’t say which of us is Gilgamesh, and which Enkidu: the analogy is not that complete. (But still, I would see myself more as Enkidu, though he dies first, before Gilgamesh.
PS I owe you a response on your mention of spirituality, and assumption that I’m on its side. Things are not that straightforward, alas. Using the term in a rough-and-ready non-technical sense that the man in the street would identify with, I would agree I have a spiritual approach to life. However I don’t like the word. It has the wrong connotations, implying some kind of duality or trinity, for example body/ spirit, or body/mind/spirit. I want to say everything human comes from body. The human body as we know from evolution theory comes from animals. Animal comes from inert matter. I would prefer to say that everything is magical, metaphysical and inexplicable. This is not really saying anything. It cannot be proved. It is meaningless. It doesn't disprove physics or indeed anything else. All it amounts to really is an ecstatic or triumphant cry, something like Eureka, Banzai, Alleluia, Olé, Geronimo.
I am not trying to validate spirituality. I just respect both sides of a major and to me illusory gulf. When I feel something is left out of consideration in a world-view, I feel sensitive to the lack, and tend to speak out. It is true that I sense the lack more when I listen to atheists than when I listen to those who are spiritual. I think this is because I don’t listen to those who are spiritual at all.
I'll need time, of course, to fully give this the attention it deserves. The trick is to break all this down until we get to a level where we can reach a common goal we both want to accomplish. For instance, in the post above, you lay out a number of plans and ideas that you want to get across. Some of these I agree with; some of them I don't.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't, for example, be interested in proving the "world is not rational", since I don't believe that. Although, I suppose it depends on what you mean by that. I think the world is "rational", in the sense that it works in an orderly, scientific way. I think the world is "rational" in the sense that human life and human history make internal sense and that the problems of life and history can be approached in a rational way (a rational plan could be devised for solving world hunger, for example). I don't, however, really believe that the world is "rational" in the sense that it has some greater meaning beyond us, some profound purpose to our being here. I think that life only has the meaning that we invest in it and find in it. However, saying "the world is not rational" wouldn't be my first choice of a way of describing this.
At any rate, I'm not here to debate your ideas at the moment, but rather to make a point. If you have a goal such as "proving the world is not rational", that we disagree upon, then we need to go deeper. Why do you want to prove this? Peace? Dismantling the foundations of conflict between groups and individuals? We keeping digging until we find a common goal that we both feel passionately about accomplishing, and then we work backwards from the goal to how we would each work towards it.
This seems to me to be the way to proceed.
I don’t want to prove anything. That is why I said something about getting the reader to see without bludgeoning them with our persuasion.
ReplyDeleteI don’t have a program for anything such as world peace or solving world hunger, or dismantling the foundations of conflict. I don’t even want to say that the world is not rational.
I agree that someone could devise a rational plan for solving world hunger, and it is certainly not my goal to oppose that. And, after our various skirmishes, I begin to see that promoting an irrational approach to life is not my aim either.
I agree that the problems of life and history can be solved in a rational way. But I always think that there is something more, something unknown, and that we ought to leave space for it.
You could say that although I dislike religion and spiritual beliefs and all sorts of behaviours that might be associated with them, they contain something essential, which cannot be proved, and must not be left out of any equation that we devise.
I feel in my deepest self (and it’s a feeling I can trace back more or less forever) that there is an unknown, an algebraic x, about which possibly nothing true or false can be said. But it can be felt. Others might say no, this is wrong, there is no x like this.
My goals would be to have our readers see both sides and respect them; to see how important it is to be able to do this; and to enjoy the journey that they will share with us, the authors.
There is another matter which I need to clarify. Although I said that I don’t see myself in a specific leadership role, and therefore am not responsible for stating what the book’s goal is, for example, it doesn’t mean we have to reach any agreement in order for the book to proceed.
ReplyDeleteI don’t think we will ever reach a precisely common goal for this book, or that we should even attempt to.
That’s because I have faith in the editing process. I do propose to lead that. I believe that we can talk our hearts out on the topic of what we each passionately believe - we have indeed made a good start on it.
I believe I can shape it into a book when we have enough of it, and when we each feel we have said what we have wanted to say.
The agreeing or failing to agree about fundamental things will be part of our theme, and somehow a reflection of the wider world.
I write this unreflectively in the middle of the night, straight out. Will go back to sleep now.
"I believe that we can talk our hearts out on the topic of what we each passionately believe - we have indeed made a good start on it."
ReplyDelete"The agreeing or failing to agree about fundamental things will be part of our theme, and somehow a reflection of the wider world."
Now, see this gives me some kind of anchor to wrap my mind around. Thank you. I will continue to try to explore what I believe in, and hopefully that will include some faith in your editing skills ;)